A practical suggestion/ request - I'm in the USG and have passed this along to folks in Congress that I know, and I work on an aspect of this stuff. This piece is great, but the legislative proposals are buried inside paragraphs discussing other stuff. Very hard to forward wholesale to a Rep / Senator and expect him/her to read it. Would be hugely useful to have a punch-list up top of the proposed elements; decision-makers can read on if/as they need to, but I want to land the punch more easily up front.
Ever thought about focusing on the United States and its many problems? I mean, China welcomes you in with open arms and you piss all over the floor. It's not a good look.
Also, ever thought about why China has the policies that it does? Hint hint: did you hear about the beheading of the schoolteacher in France last week? Incidents like that have become par for the course in Europe, and China isn't going to let that happen in their country. And they have the authoritarian predisposition to pull it off. Though their methods differ than "ours," I can't say I blame them.
The whataboutism where whenever someone issues a criticism of China people immediately go, what about US? What about Europe? is honestly ridiculous. Your part of the problem, and frankly, the acknowledgment of US problems in response is also getting kinda stupid. The US is far better than China with respect to human rights, including genocide, in the present day. Period.
And if you have that level of Islamophobia, and justify mass genocide, I would urge you to check your priors. I could point out that the population here is completely different than the population at issue in the Middle East, but just dismissing them because they are "Muslim" is not appropriate.
Is radicalization a problem? Yes! Every country is dealing with it. The US, specifically NY, has problems with the Haredi Jewish population. France has issues with the Muslim population. France has engaged in somewhat problematic (imo) policies such as strict enforcement of laicite and homeschooling bans, but hey, they arent genociding people.
Interesting perspective. When I hear "genocide," I think, for example, of "6 million Jews," or something along those lines. Whereas the number of Muslims who have been genocided in Xinjiang is approximately zero. There have, though, been quite a few Han Chinese killed there, on the very basis of their Han ethnicity (which makes it kind of genocidey), by Xinjiang Muslims, so go figure. I think when you say "genocide" you actually mean "internment camps" like the ones the US used in WW2 - that's what you'll see in Xinjiang these days; not pretty, but not genocide either. Google "2009 Ürümqi riots" if you're genuinely curious (bonus knowledge: that's what got Facebook banned in China, not EvilChinaOrwell1984 kind of stuff).
And I hadn't heard about Haredi Jews fatally stabbing hundreds of people in New York but I'll definitely be on the lookout.
And anyway my larger point - which indeed very much qualifies as whataboutism - was not even about China or the US or France or Muslims, but rather about what prompts people to focus so intensely on pointing out bad things far away. Why not spend 1/10th of that energy helping some homeless person in front of your local supermarket? The easy SJW rancor of do-gooders pointing out bad things over there is beyond self-parody at this point.
While this article focuses on effective US policy in this issue, I wonder, is Xi's assessment that this is the only means to prevent a domestic ISIS correct, and if not, what are the alternatives?
It would be a much more productive and effective conversation to have.
There is no human rights abuse in Xinjiang 🤣.It’s a shadow war against China. NED funded a fake study by Adrian Zenz. Xinjiang is home to large solar industry, cotton and agricultural products.Us is desperately trying to protect its domestic solar and cotton Industry. Recently oil was discovered in Xinjiang. US has been trying to disrupt chinas BRI by destabilizing Xinjiang for a long time. You guys need to wake up to realities. Listen to col Wilkerson https://youtu.be/tVmliB0rVIo
Thank you for this great post! Do you have any suggestions for a typical American looking to push their government in the directions you describe?
- Should I tweet at celebrities demanding they take a strong stance on Xinjiang?
- Should I call my congresspeople and tell them to push for tougher sanctions on Xinjiang and increase CBP funding?
- Should I demonstrate in front of the White House and demand that the executive instruct the CBP to issue a Withhold Release Order?
All of the above looks like you know this game better than I do!
A practical suggestion/ request - I'm in the USG and have passed this along to folks in Congress that I know, and I work on an aspect of this stuff. This piece is great, but the legislative proposals are buried inside paragraphs discussing other stuff. Very hard to forward wholesale to a Rep / Senator and expect him/her to read it. Would be hugely useful to have a punch-list up top of the proposed elements; decision-makers can read on if/as they need to, but I want to land the punch more easily up front.
Thanks Cordes, will add something like this tmrw to the site
also, send me an email let's connect. I'm at jorschneider@gmail.com
Ever thought about focusing on the United States and its many problems? I mean, China welcomes you in with open arms and you piss all over the floor. It's not a good look.
Also, ever thought about why China has the policies that it does? Hint hint: did you hear about the beheading of the schoolteacher in France last week? Incidents like that have become par for the course in Europe, and China isn't going to let that happen in their country. And they have the authoritarian predisposition to pull it off. Though their methods differ than "ours," I can't say I blame them.
The whataboutism where whenever someone issues a criticism of China people immediately go, what about US? What about Europe? is honestly ridiculous. Your part of the problem, and frankly, the acknowledgment of US problems in response is also getting kinda stupid. The US is far better than China with respect to human rights, including genocide, in the present day. Period.
And if you have that level of Islamophobia, and justify mass genocide, I would urge you to check your priors. I could point out that the population here is completely different than the population at issue in the Middle East, but just dismissing them because they are "Muslim" is not appropriate.
Is radicalization a problem? Yes! Every country is dealing with it. The US, specifically NY, has problems with the Haredi Jewish population. France has issues with the Muslim population. France has engaged in somewhat problematic (imo) policies such as strict enforcement of laicite and homeschooling bans, but hey, they arent genociding people.
Interesting perspective. When I hear "genocide," I think, for example, of "6 million Jews," or something along those lines. Whereas the number of Muslims who have been genocided in Xinjiang is approximately zero. There have, though, been quite a few Han Chinese killed there, on the very basis of their Han ethnicity (which makes it kind of genocidey), by Xinjiang Muslims, so go figure. I think when you say "genocide" you actually mean "internment camps" like the ones the US used in WW2 - that's what you'll see in Xinjiang these days; not pretty, but not genocide either. Google "2009 Ürümqi riots" if you're genuinely curious (bonus knowledge: that's what got Facebook banned in China, not EvilChinaOrwell1984 kind of stuff).
And I hadn't heard about Haredi Jews fatally stabbing hundreds of people in New York but I'll definitely be on the lookout.
And anyway my larger point - which indeed very much qualifies as whataboutism - was not even about China or the US or France or Muslims, but rather about what prompts people to focus so intensely on pointing out bad things far away. Why not spend 1/10th of that energy helping some homeless person in front of your local supermarket? The easy SJW rancor of do-gooders pointing out bad things over there is beyond self-parody at this point.
I am not sure pointing out Xinjiang is just do-gooding.
While this article focuses on effective US policy in this issue, I wonder, is Xi's assessment that this is the only means to prevent a domestic ISIS correct, and if not, what are the alternatives?
It would be a much more productive and effective conversation to have.
Doing a handful of ChinaTalk shows on this question...stay tuned! In the meantime, do check out Sun Yan's fantastic book on the history of Han rule in XJ/Tibet https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08BKX4K1T/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
There is no human rights abuse in Xinjiang 🤣.It’s a shadow war against China. NED funded a fake study by Adrian Zenz. Xinjiang is home to large solar industry, cotton and agricultural products.Us is desperately trying to protect its domestic solar and cotton Industry. Recently oil was discovered in Xinjiang. US has been trying to disrupt chinas BRI by destabilizing Xinjiang for a long time. You guys need to wake up to realities. Listen to col Wilkerson https://youtu.be/tVmliB0rVIo
I wonder why the two persons have such different numbers? One said 1 million and the other said 1.5 million?